The Daily Mink http://www.webmink.net/index.html All the Mink, All The Time, via Syndication Thu, 1 May 2008 09:49:49 BST Blogapps-PlanetTool links for 2008-05-01 <ul class="delicious"> <li> <div class="delicious-link"><a href="http://www.sun.com/aboutsun/pr/2008-04/sunflash.20080430.1.xml">Open Source Java Technology Debuts In GNU/Linux Distributions</a></div> <div class="delicious-extended">Huge leap forward for Java and for Linux. I'm delighted.</div> <div class="delicious-tags">(tags: <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/Java">Java</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/Sun">Sun</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/Linux">Linux</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/Ubuntu">Ubuntu</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/RedHat">RedHat</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/OpenJDK">OpenJDK</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/GPL">GPL</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/FOSS">FOSS</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/OpenSource">OpenSource</a>)</div> </li> </ul> /Links http://blogs.sun.com/webmink/entry/links_for_2008_05_01 Thu, 1 May 2008 09:36:40 BST webmink links for 2008-04-30 <ul class="delicious"> <li> <div class="delicious-link"><a href="http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080428-malware-authors-turn-to-eulas-to-protect-their-work.html">Malware authors turn to EULAs to protect their work</a></div> <div class="delicious-extended">Create a system, create the game that plays it. Apparently it's time to move on from the "internet" system to the "legal" system...</div> <div class="delicious-tags">(tags: <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/Malware">Malware</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/EULA">EULA</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/License">License</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/legal">legal</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/abuse">abuse</a>)</div> </li> <li> <div class="delicious-link"><a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/7370903.stm">'Free Tibet' flags made in China</a></div> <div class="delicious-extended">This seems to encapsulate the whole problem.</div> <div class="delicious-tags">(tags: <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/BBC">BBC</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/China">China</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/Irony">Irony</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/Business">Business</a>)</div> </li> <li> <div class="delicious-link"><a href="http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/0,1000000121,39407332,00.htm">Sun sheds light on its open-source future</a></div> <div class="delicious-extended">Q & A with me in ZDNet UK. Good stuff, Adrian.</div> <div class="delicious-tags">(tags: <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/SimonPhipps">SimonPhipps</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/Clippings">Clippings</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/OpenSource">OpenSource</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/Sun">Sun</a>)</div> </li> <li> <div class="delicious-link"><a href="http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=307403">Java for Mac OS X 10.5 Update 1 adds support for Java SE 6</a></div> <div class="delicious-extended">At last. My Java apps are running much faster so far.</div> <div class="delicious-tags">(tags: <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/Java">Java</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/Mac">Mac</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/OSX">OSX</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/Apple">Apple</a>)</div> </li> </ul> /Links http://blogs.sun.com/webmink/entry/links_for_2008_04_30 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 09:35:22 BST webmink links for 2008-04-29 <ul class="delicious"> <li> <div class="delicious-link"><a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7367548.stm">The miracle berry</a></div> <div class="delicious-extended">Anywhere in San Francisco we can get some of these to try next week? I'd love to have a bowl of them at our open source party at the Thirsty Bear on Tuesday evening.</div> <div class="delicious-tags">(tags: <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/Food">Food</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/Travel">Travel</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/JavaOne2008">JavaOne2008</a>)</div> </li> <li> <div class="delicious-link"><a href="http://blogs.gnome.org/bolsh/2008/04/28/sun-trying-to-do-the-right-thing/">Sun: Trying to do the right thing</a></div> <div class="delicious-extended">A very welcome respite from all the knocking Sun is getting right now from the people afraid we might actually succeed.</div> <div class="delicious-tags">(tags: <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/Sun">Sun</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/OpenSource">OpenSource</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/GNOME">GNOME</a>)</div> </li> <li> <div class="delicious-link"><a href="http://www.itweb.co.za/sections/computing/2008/0804221046.asp?O=FPTOP&S=Open%20source&A=LIN#commentonthis">ODF is SA's national standard</a></div> <div class="delicious-extended">Another country standardises on ODF. I wonder how many it takes before there's demonstrated "demand"? I expect the response to be "they can always use a plug-in" but really that's just insulting.</div> <div class="delicious-tags">(tags: <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/ODF">ODF</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/SouthAfrica">SouthAfrica</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/ISO26300">ISO26300</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/standards">standards</a>)</div> </li> </ul> /Links http://blogs.sun.com/webmink/entry/links_for_2008_04_29 Tue, 29 Apr 2008 09:34:14 BST webmink links for 2008-04-28 <ul class="delicious"> <li> <div class="delicious-link"><a href="http://blogs.sun.com/barton808/entry/linux_distro_smack_down_only">GNU/Linux Distro Smack Down! Only at CommunityOne</a></div> <div class="delicious-extended">As if the fact the event if free isn't enough!</div> <div class="delicious-tags">(tags: <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/Linux">Linux</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/JavaOne2008">JavaOne2008</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/OpenSolaris">OpenSolaris</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/Events">Events</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/CommunityOne">CommunityOne</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/CommunityOne2008">CommunityOne2008</a>)</div> </li> <li> <div class="delicious-link"><a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7369851.stm">Austrian 'hid daughter in cellar'</a></div> <div class="delicious-extended">The depths to which humanity can sink seem to have no bounds.</div> <div class="delicious-tags">(tags: <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/BBC">BBC</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/Austria">Austria</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/Abuse">Abuse</a>)</div> </li> </ul> /Links http://blogs.sun.com/webmink/entry/links_for_2008_04_28 Mon, 28 Apr 2008 09:38:18 BST webmink links for 2008-04-27 <ul class="delicious"> <li> <div class="delicious-link"><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Eye-Fi-Card-Wireless-GB-Memory/dp/B000X27XDC/?tag=claritysystems">Amazon.com: Eye-Fi Card, Wireless 2 GB SD Memory Card</a></div> <div class="delicious-extended">Anyone tried this? It looks like an interesting way to get photos straight onto Flickr from JavaOne, for example.</div> <div class="delicious-tags">(tags: <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/Gadgets">Gadgets</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/Toys">Toys</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/Photography">Photography</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/JavaOne2008">JavaOne2008</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/WiFi">WiFi</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/Networking">Networking</a>)</div> </li> <li> <div class="delicious-link"><a href="http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/08_18/b4082042959954.htm">Does She Look Like a Music Pirate?</a></div> <div class="delicious-extended">More power to her.</div> <div class="delicious-tags">(tags: <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/RIAA">RIAA</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/rights">rights</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/abuse">abuse</a>)</div> </li> <li> <div class="delicious-link"><a href="http://www.gadling.com/2008/04/26/cash-and-treasures-digging-for-benitoite/">Cash and Treasures: Digging for Benitoite</a></div> <div class="delicious-extended">This is something I've never tried - looks worth a weekend excursion some time I am in the Bay Area.</div> <div class="delicious-tags">(tags: <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/California">California</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/Travel">Travel</a>)</div> </li> </ul> /Links http://blogs.sun.com/webmink/entry/links_for_2008_04_27 Sun, 27 Apr 2008 09:32:15 BST webmink links for 2008-04-26 <ul class="delicious"> <li> <div class="delicious-link"><a href="http://environment.newscientist.com/channel/earth/dn13779-north-pole-could-be-ice-free-in-2008.html?feedId=online-news_rss20">North Pole could be ice free in 2008</a></div> <div class="delicious-extended">This doesn't sound good.</div> <div class="delicious-tags">(tags: <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/environment">environment</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/climate">climate</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/warming">warming</a>)</div> </li> <li> <div class="delicious-link"><a href="http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/ODFDOM">ODFDOM - OpenOffice.org Wiki</a></div> <div class="delicious-extended">Wow. Great idea will put programmatic manipulation of ODF within everyone's reach.</div> <div class="delicious-tags">(tags: <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/ODF">ODF</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/ISO26300">ISO26300</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/DOM">DOM</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/OpenOffice">OpenOffice</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/OpenDocument">OpenDocument</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/framework">framework</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/api">api</a>)</div> </li> <li> <div class="delicious-link"><a href="http://qrcode.kaywa.com/">QR-Code Generator</a></div> <div class="delicious-extended">Something new to add to my next business card.</div> <div class="delicious-tags">(tags: <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/QRCode">QRCode</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/Cool">Cool</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/camera">camera</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/Nokia">Nokia</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/phone">phone</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/Geek">Geek</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/Graphics">Graphics</a>)</div> </li> <li> <div class="delicious-link"><a href="http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=7363312885">Facebook | JavaOne</a></div> <div class="delicious-extended">JavaOne has a posse.</div> <div class="delicious-tags">(tags: <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/JavaOne">JavaOne</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/Facebook">Facebook</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/community">community</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/social">social</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/Java">Java</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/JavaOne2008">JavaOne2008</a>)</div> </li> </ul> /Links http://blogs.sun.com/webmink/entry/links_for_2008_04_26 Sat, 26 Apr 2008 09:34:47 BST webmink links for 2008-04-25 <ul class="delicious"> <li> <div class="delicious-link"><a href="http://au.sun.com/sunnews/events/2008/horizons/agenda.jsp">Sun Microsystems - Australia - APAC Extended Horizons Summit 2008</a></div> <div class="delicious-extended">If you live in Australia or New Zealand please do come to this event where I'll be delivering the opening keynote. If there are enough you are interested, let's also go for a long table meal at The Sailor's Thai in The Rocks...</div> <div class="delicious-tags">(tags: <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/SimonPhipps">SimonPhipps</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/Events">Events</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/Australia">Australia</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/Sun">Sun</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/OpenSource">OpenSource</a>)</div> </li> </ul> /Links http://blogs.sun.com/webmink/entry/links_for_2008_04_25 Fri, 25 Apr 2008 09:39:12 BST webmink Primrose <p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/people/webmink/">webmink</a> posted a photo:</p> <p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/webmink/2436059713/" title="Primrose"><img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3270/2436059713_29c67c42c8_m.jpg" width="240" height="180" alt="Primrose" /></a></p> <p>The garden is dripping with primroses like these.</p> flowers shozu garden primrose http://www.flickr.com/photos/webmink/2436059713/ Wed, 23 Apr 2008 04:57:32 BST webmink links for 2008-04-23 <ul class="delicious"> <li> <div class="delicious-link"><a href="http://blogs.sun.com/barton808/entry/debian_and_osi_election_results">Debian and OSI Election Results</a></div> <div class="delicious-extended">Congratulations, Steve (and nice kilt).</div> <div class="delicious-tags">(tags: <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/Debian">Debian</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/FOSS">FOSS</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/Election">Election</a>)</div> </li> <li> <div class="delicious-link"><a href="http://www.cnet.com/8301-13505_1-9917947-16.html">Google's festering problem with the AGPL</a></div> <div class="delicious-extended">It's not just AGPL. There are other licenses (like CDDL for instance) that are blocked for business reasons that get dressed up as social reasons. Seems OSI is not a respected arbiter of license soundness in this case.</div> <div class="delicious-tags">(tags: <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/FOSS">FOSS</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/OpenSource">OpenSource</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/Licensing">Licensing</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/Google">Google</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/AGPL">AGPL</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/CDDL">CDDL</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/SaaS">SaaS</a>)</div> </li> <li> <div class="delicious-link"><a href="http://www.christiaanpostma.nl/clock_3.htm">Christiaan Postma - Spelling Clock</a></div> <div class="delicious-extended">This is unspeakably cool, and very soothing to watch.</div> <div class="delicious-tags">(tags: <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/Cool">Cool</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/design">design</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/Time">Time</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/clock">clock</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/art">art</a>)</div> </li> <li> <div class="delicious-link"><a href="http://robertogaloppini.net/2008/04/22/open-standards-definition-is-odf-etch-on-rock-no-not-true/">Open Standards definition: Is ODF etch on rock? No, not true</a></div> <div class="delicious-extended">"A truly public specification can be upgraded by the public at large, provided the suggestion is a sound one."</div> <div class="delicious-tags">(tags: <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/ODF">ODF</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/Standards">Standards</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/Open">Open</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/FOSS">FOSS</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/OpenOffice.org">OpenOffice.org</a>)</div> </li> <li> <div class="delicious-link"><a href="http://www.paulgraham.com/good.html">Be Good</a></div> <div class="delicious-extended">Another Paul Graham essay that is so good that it sounds obvious. Here he's asserting that the best plan for a startup is to behave like a non-profit and just serve people. Nicely complementary to the 37Signals video I posted here recently.</div> <div class="delicious-tags">(tags: <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/Startup">Startup</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/Business">Business</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/advice">advice</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/Ethics">Ethics</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/Strategy">Strategy</a>)</div> </li> <li> <div class="delicious-link"><a href="http://www.microsoft-watch.com/content/games_consumer/my_dear_john_letter_from_msn_music.html?kc=MWRSS02129TX1K0000535">My Dear John Letter from MSN Music</a></div> <div class="delicious-extended">A shameful indictment of DRM as another DRM-using-customer-hating-corporation changes strategy and leaves its customers to twist in the wind. Just don't buy stuff that's got digital restriction management as this event is inevitable for all services.</div> <div class="delicious-tags">(tags: <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/DRM">DRM</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/Microsoft">Microsoft</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/Abuse">Abuse</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/Music">Music</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/Rights">Rights</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/Customer">Customer</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/Service">Service</a>)</div> </li> </ul> /Links http://blogs.sun.com/webmink/entry/links_for_2008_04_23 Wed, 23 Apr 2008 09:38:31 BST webmink links for 2008-04-22 <ul class="delicious"> <li> <div class="delicious-link"><a href="http://www.istockphoto.com/opt-out-info.php?refnum=webmink">Contributor Subscription Information on iStockphoto.com</a></div> <div class="delicious-extended">This looks like a positive step, likely to bring new money into iStock and make it flow more freely towards photographers. I'll need to resume uploads (I need the rejection slips!)</div> <div class="delicious-tags">(tags: <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/Photography">Photography</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/Stock">Stock</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/iStockPhoto">iStockPhoto</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/Publishing">Publishing</a>)</div> </li> <li> <div class="delicious-link"><a href="http://topicmaps.wordpress.com/2008/04/20/a-tale-of-two-jennies/">A Tale of Two Jennies</a></div> <div class="delicious-extended">Steve Pepper continues his blogging experiment.</div> <div class="delicious-tags">(tags: <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/OOXML">OOXML</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/Norway">Norway</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/Prostitution">Prostitution</a>)</div> </li> <li> <div class="delicious-link"><a href="http://www.amazon.co.uk/NOKIA-CA-100-CHARGING-USB-CABLE/dp/B001767MUW/?tag=645">Nokia CA-100 Charging USB Cable</a></div> <div class="delicious-extended">Given the E51 is now standard issue for Sun in Europe I guess lots of people will need one of these, given Nokia neither made the thing charge from the mini-USB connector it uses to connect to the computer nor included this dongle.</div> <div class="delicious-tags">(tags: <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/Nokia">Nokia</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/Phone">Phone</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/Mobile">Mobile</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/E51">E51</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/Accessories">Accessories</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/Amazon">Amazon</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/USB">USB</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/Power">Power</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/Cable">Cable</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/Plug">Plug</a>)</div> </li> <li> <div class="delicious-link"><a href="http://www.computerworlduk.com/toolbox/open-source/blogs/index.cfm?blogid=14&entryid=729">Has MySQL Forgotten All It Learnt?</a></div> <div class="delicious-extended">As I recall, MySQL has had non-Free software in its service/subscription cloud for quite a long time, so I'm a bit puzzled why it's suddenly become an issue. Maybe as part of Sun there's no longer cause for a suspension of judgment?</div> <div class="delicious-tags">(tags: <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/MySQL">MySQL</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/FOSS">FOSS</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/GPL">GPL</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/Backup">Backup</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/Business">Business</a>)</div> </li> <li> <div class="delicious-link"><a href="http://www.37signals.com/svn/posts/981-the-secret-to-making-money-online">The secret to making money online</a></div> <div class="delicious-extended">... is just do it and don't be greedy.</div> <div class="delicious-tags">(tags: <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/Business">Business</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/Web2.0">Web2.0</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/Startup">Startup</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/Strategy">Strategy</a>)</div> </li> <li> <div class="delicious-link"><a href="http://appdrop.com/">Welcome | AppDrop</a></div> <div class="delicious-extended">Strength or weakness of the open source model? My take is it will just validate Google without ptoviding serious competition since it offers no deployer security (as in confidence, not as in hackproofness).</div> <div class="delicious-tags">(tags: <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/Cloud">Cloud</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/Google">Google</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/OpenSource">OpenSource</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/Clone">Clone</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/Web2.0">Web2.0</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/Python">Python</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/amazon">amazon</a>)</div> </li> <li> <div class="delicious-link"><a href="http://cld.blog-city.com/netbeans_61_rc2_available__let_the_ide_do_the_web_services.htm">NetBeans 6.1 RC2 Available : Let the IDE Do The Web Services Plumbing For You</a></div> <div class="delicious-extended">I think this is a leap forward and changes the nature of the IDE. I wonder if I can use it to program Python?</div> <div class="delicious-tags">(tags: <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/NetBeans">NetBeans</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/Java">Java</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/Twitter">Twitter</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/Amazon">Amazon</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/Facebook">Facebook</a>)</div> </li> </ul> /Links http://blogs.sun.com/webmink/entry/links_for_2008_04_22 Tue, 22 Apr 2008 09:35:52 BST webmink links for 2008-04-20 <ul class="delicious"> <li> <div class="delicious-link"><a href="http://topicmaps.wordpress.com/2008/04/18/the-norway-vote-what-really-happened/">The Norway Vote - What really happened</a></div> <div class="delicious-extended">The story explaining why Steve Pepper was motivated, after 13 excellent years as chair of the Norwegian SC34 mirror committee, to resign and to organise a public protest.</div> <div class="delicious-tags">(tags: <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/OOXML">OOXML</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/Standards">Standards</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/Norway">Norway</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/ECMA">ECMA</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/Microsoft">Microsoft</a>)</div> </li> <li> <div class="delicious-link"><a href="http://www.evilmadscientist.com/article.php/usbkey">How to make a Sawed-off USB Key</a></div> <div class="delicious-extended">I want one.</div> <div class="delicious-tags">(tags: <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/Geek">Geek</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/Toys">Toys</a>)</div> </li> </ul> /Links http://blogs.sun.com/webmink/entry/links_for_2008_04_20 Sun, 20 Apr 2008 09:34:40 BST webmink links for 2008-04-19 <ul class="delicious"> <li> <div class="delicious-link"><a href="http://www.coroflot.com/public/individual_file.asp?individual_id=58164&portfolio_id=65040&sort_by=1&">Economy Travel</a></div> <div class="delicious-extended">Just waiting for this to show up in the travel policy. Managers get to travel next-day-air, the rest get 2-day or surface...</div> <div class="delicious-tags">(tags: <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/Art">Art</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/Travel">Travel</a>)</div> </li> <li> <div class="delicious-link"><a href="http://www.infoq.com/articles/better-best-practices">InfoQ: Better Best Practices</a></div> <div class="delicious-extended">Excellent article explains why managers mismanage experts.</div> <div class="delicious-tags">(tags: <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/Expert">Expert</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/Process">Process</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/management">management</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/Software">Software</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/development">development</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/architecture">architecture</a>)</div> </li> <li> <div class="delicious-link"><a href="http://www.cnet.com/8301-13505_1-9922991-16.html">Between two consenting corporations...</a></div> <div class="delicious-extended">Matt stays calm and makes good points here. Ultimately, offering closed tools as part of the service cloud around an open source platform can help pay the bills only if it can be done without harming adoption.</div> <div class="delicious-tags">(tags: <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/Adoption">Adoption</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/Adoption-Led">Adoption-Led</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/MySQL">MySQL</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/OpenSource">OpenSource</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/Model">Model</a>)</div> </li> <li> <div class="delicious-link"><a href="http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/view/id/247">TED | Talks | Yochai Benkler: Open-source economics</a></div> <div class="delicious-extended">Benkler is great in person. Compelling both in energy and in content.</div> <div class="delicious-tags">(tags: <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/OpenSource">OpenSource</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/Benkler">Benkler</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/creativecommons">creativecommons</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/Wikipedia">Wikipedia</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/TED">TED</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/Video">Video</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/via:jimgris">via:jimgris</a>)</div> </li> </ul> /Links http://blogs.sun.com/webmink/entry/links_for_2008_04_19 Sat, 19 Apr 2008 09:33:40 BST webmink links for 2008-04-17 <ul class="delicious"> <li> <div class="delicious-link"><a href="http://code.flickr.com/">Flickr Code</a></div> <div class="delicious-extended">Cool and interesting departure.</div> <div class="delicious-tags">(tags: <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/Flickr">Flickr</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/Developer">Developer</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/Community">Community</a>)</div> </li> </ul> /Links http://blogs.sun.com/webmink/entry/links_for_2008_04_17 Thu, 17 Apr 2008 09:33:03 BST webmink links for 2008-04-16 <ul class="delicious"> <li> <div class="delicious-link"><a href="http://radar.oreilly.com/archives/2008/04/open-source-award-nominations.html">Call For Open Source Awards 2008 Nominations</a></div> <div class="delicious-extended">Always interesting to see who is up for these awards, they are usually eclectic and thoughtful.</div> <div class="delicious-tags">(tags: <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/OpenSource">OpenSource</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/OSCON">OSCON</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/Awards">Awards</a>)</div> </li> <li> <div class="delicious-link"><a href="http://opensource.sys-con.com/read/543881.htm">Sun Executive Says Company Not Suffering from Open Source Malaise Stifling Novell</a></div> <div class="delicious-extended">This has more legs than I thought, must be a slow news period. Note I am arguing from an adoption-led position about how there must be no artificial barriers to deployment - I am aware of the Free Software issues (warning: Sys-Con article)</div> <div class="delicious-tags">(tags: <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/Sun">Sun</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/Novell">Novell</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/SimonPhipps">SimonPhipps</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/clippings">clippings</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/Adoption">Adoption</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/Adoption-Led">Adoption-Led</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/OpenSource">OpenSource</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/FOSS">FOSS</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/SuSE">SuSE</a>)</div> </li> </ul> /Links http://blogs.sun.com/webmink/entry/links_for_2008_04_16 Wed, 16 Apr 2008 09:34:58 BST webmink links for 2008-04-15 <ul class="delicious"> <li> <div class="delicious-link"><a href="http://www.linux.com/feature/132203">Commentary: the Linux Foundation and the future of Linux</a></div> <div class="delicious-extended">Doesn't look like the grass-roots of the FOSS movement was much in evidence.</div> <div class="delicious-tags">(tags: <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/Linux">Linux</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/Foundation">Foundation</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/Corporations">Corporations</a>)</div> </li> <li> <div class="delicious-link"><a href="http://blogs.sun.com/jonathan/entry/freedom_s_choice">Jonathan Schwartz's Blog: Freedom's Choice</a></div> <div class="delicious-extended">"Awkward silences aside, we've now got a very productive engagment with the customer around delivering commercial support on a global basis to what's turned out to be the most popular database inside their development shop." Adoption-led.</div> <div class="delicious-tags">(tags: <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/MySQL">MySQL</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/Sun">Sun</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/Adoption">Adoption</a>)</div> </li> <li> <div class="delicious-link"><a href="http://www.techforce.com.br/index.php/news/linux_blog/scientific_study_about_debian_governance_and_organization">Scientific study about Debian governance and organization</a></div> <div class="delicious-extended">Fascinating exploration of the dynamics and evolution of community governance. Having see how the jump to formal governance affected OpenSolaris, we're now taking out time over OpenJDK, and this study supports that approach.</div> <div class="delicious-tags">(tags: <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/Debian">Debian</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/paper">paper</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/OpenSource">OpenSource</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/Linux">Linux</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/Governance">Governance</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/Community">Community</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/Leadership">Leadership</a>)</div> </li> <li> <div class="delicious-link"><a href="http://opensource.org/pressreleases/board-election-2008.htm">Open Source Initiative (OSI) Announces Results of 2008 Board Election</a></div> <div class="delicious-extended">Let's see if 2008 can make OSI more relevant again.</div> <div class="delicious-tags">(tags: <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/OSI">OSI</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/Governance">Governance</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/Election">Election</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/OpenSource">OpenSource</a>)</div> </li> </ul> /Links http://blogs.sun.com/webmink/entry/links_for_2008_04_15 Tue, 15 Apr 2008 09:34:54 BST webmink links for 2008-04-14 <ul class="delicious"> <li> <div class="delicious-link"><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHXBL6bzAR4">An Engineer's Guide to Cats</a></div> <div class="delicious-extended">Love the yodeling.</div> <div class="delicious-tags">(tags: <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/Cat">Cat</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/Humour">Humour</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/Geek">Geek</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/Animal">Animal</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/YouTube">YouTube</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/Video">Video</a>)</div> </li> <li> <div class="delicious-link"><a href="http://homembit.com/2008/04/odf-is-now-a-brazilian-standard-nbr-isoiec-26300.html">ODF is now a Brazilian Standard: NBR ISO/IEC 26300</a></div> <div class="delicious-extended">Yet another global endorsement.</div> <div class="delicious-tags">(tags: <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/ODF">ODF</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/ISO26300">ISO26300</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/Standards">Standards</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/Brazil">Brazil</a>)</div> </li> <li> <div class="delicious-link"><a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001458KKC/?tag=claritysystems">Count To Ten: Tina Dico</a></div> <div class="delicious-extended">Finally gave in and bought Tina's new album from Amazon MP3. Turns out it is just wonderful.</div> <div class="delicious-tags">(tags: <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/Music">Music</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/Amazon">Amazon</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/MP3">MP3</a>)</div> </li> </ul> /Links http://blogs.sun.com/webmink/entry/links_for_2008_04_14 Mon, 14 Apr 2008 09:33:42 BST webmink Lean On Me <p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/people/webmink/">webmink</a> posted a photo:</p> <p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/webmink/2407855216/" title="Lean On Me"><img src="http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2170/2407855216_b49a620384_m.jpg" width="180" height="240" alt="Lean On Me" /></a></p> <p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/webmink/2399596648/">What Does Not Kill Me Makes Me Stronger</a> redux.</p> tree oslo norway fence support http://www.flickr.com/photos/webmink/2407855216/ Sat, 12 Apr 2008 03:25:59 BST webmink Stave Church Dragon <p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/people/webmink/">webmink</a> posted a photo:</p> <p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/webmink/2407747762/" title="Stave Church Dragon"><img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3049/2407747762_6cb33e40a4_m.jpg" width="240" height="175" alt="Stave Church Dragon" /></a></p> sculpture oslo norway http://www.flickr.com/photos/webmink/2407747762/ Sat, 12 Apr 2008 02:22:40 BST webmink Troll Cruise <p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/people/webmink/">webmink</a> posted a photo:</p> <p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/webmink/2407732010/" title="Troll Cruise"><img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3127/2407732010_bb5058bfb7_m.jpg" width="240" height="180" alt="Troll Cruise" /></a></p> <p>Clearly the right venue for mailing list get-togethers is Oslo.</p> oslo norway ship troll http://www.flickr.com/photos/webmink/2407732010/ Sat, 12 Apr 2008 02:13:23 BST webmink Norwegian Music Sitting in the hotel (right next to Herr Nielsen's Jazz Club) last night in Oslo I realised that the music I was listening to on my laptop was just track after track of Norwegian music. There was <a href="http://www.beadybelle.com/index_en.html">Beady Belle</a>, then <a href="http://www.thomasdybdahl.com/">Thomas Dybdahl</a> (try <a href="http://www.thomasdybdahl.com/media/bsides/damnheart.mp3" Title="Thomas Dybdahl - Damn Heart">Damn Heart</a> or <a href="http://www.thomasdybdahl.com/media/bsides/halfofme.mp3" title="Thomas Dybdahl - Half Of Me">Half Of Me</a>, both free B-sides, and my absolute favourite single <a href="http://www.thomasdybdahl.com/media/musicvideos/lovestory.wmv" title="Thomas Dybdahl - Love Story">Love Story</a>), then <a href="http://www.anebrun.com/">Ane Brun</a> - and that's ignoring nearby Scandinavians like <a href="http://www.teitur.com/">Teitur</a> and <a href="http://www.tinadico.com/">Tina Dico</a> (try <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oG7mKwDEo4k">this</a>. Wonder how I'd missed the connection for so long?<br /><br /><i>Update:</i> As Walter points out, I forgot the most obvious musician (and the one who features largest in my collection), <a href="http://www.garbarek.com/">Jan Garbarek</a>. Music travel http://www.webmink.net/2008/04/norwegian-music.htm Sat, 12 Apr 2008 01:12:00 BST webmink Natural Mink Environment <p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/people/webmink/">webmink</a> posted a photo:</p> <p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/webmink/2403588178/" title="Natural Mink Environment"><img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3251/2403588178_3e55d85671_m.jpg" width="180" height="240" alt="Natural Mink Environment" /></a></p> <p><a href="http://www.mbr.no/">www.mbr.no/</a></p> oslo mink webmink http://www.flickr.com/photos/webmink/2403588178/ Thu, 10 Apr 2008 04:14:34 BST webmink Protest in Oslo <p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/people/webmink/">webmink</a> posted a video:</p> <p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/webmink/2403119638/" title="Protest in Oslo"><img src="http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2386/2403119638_b3d2c5b9df_m.jpg" width="240" height="180" alt="Protest in Oslo" /></a></p> <p>The SC34 Mirror Committee organised an unusual protest rally in Oslo on April 9, 2008. More details in <a href="http://blogs.sun.com/webmink/entry/driven_to_extremes">my blog</a>.</p> oslo norway protest ooxml http://www.flickr.com/photos/webmink/2403119638/ Thu, 10 Apr 2008 10:30:30 BST webmink links for 2008-04-10 <ul class="delicious"> <li> <div class="delicious-link"><a href="http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=6590">Some file types are blocked</a></div> <div class="delicious-extended">I wondered why someone wasn't receiving messages I was sending him. Seems Google simply tosses any message with a .exe file in it in /dev/nul</div> <div class="delicious-tags">(tags: <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/Google">Google</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/webmink/Mail">Mail</a>)</div> </li> </ul> /Links http://blogs.sun.com/webmink/entry/links_for_2008_04_10 Thu, 10 Apr 2008 09:36:13 BST webmink Driven to Extremes <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/webmink/2400443777/" title="Well-attended protest in Oslo today"><img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3191/2400443777_8ab5aa87dc_m.jpg" hspace=7 vspace=5 border=1 align="right" width="240" height="180" alt="Well-attended protest" /></a><p>I've been speaking at the excellent Go Open 2008 conference here in Oslo today - attendees may be interested in <a href="http://mediacast.sun.com/users/sunmink/media/0815d-GoOpen08-Oslo.pdf">my slides</a>. My talk embodied the comments I <a href="http://blogs.sun.com/webmink/entry/answering_michael">made in response to Michael Tiemann</a> a while back. <p>Of much more interest was what happened at lunchtime, however. I've heard plenty of accusations from certain OOXML proponents that all the noisy opposition to them is coming from extremist agitators and anarchists and should be ignored as a consequence. The (very un-Norwegian) activities in Oslo today seemed to suggest otherwise. As the International Herald Tribune <a href="http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/04/09/business/EU-TEC-Norway-Digital-Demonstration.php">reports</a>, there was a demonstration and protest march by placard-wielding demonstrators on the streets of Oslo - see <a href="http://www.dn.no/dntv/teknologi/article1376558.ece?WT.mc_id=dntv_rel">the local TV report</a>. This in itself is unusual - Norway is not given to such outbursts - but there's more that makes it unusual. <p>This protest was organised not by extremist agitators but by Steve Pepper (who made a great <a href="http://www.noooxml.org/forum/t-52412/ooxml-triggers-demonstration-in-norway:let-s-throw-ooxml-out-of-iso">speech</a>), the widely respected chair of the SC34 mirror committee that reviewed OOXML for Standards Norway and by his colleagues. I asked them why they were taking this unusual step and they told me it was because the majority view of their committee had been ignored by Standards Norway. They are furious - Pepper has resigned. So there may be extremists involved in the protests against OOXML somewhere, but in the specific case of Norway the protesters are highly respected standards and business people who have been driven to extremes rather than starting from them. <h3>Podcast Interview With Trond Heier</h3> <p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/webmink/2400441789/" title="Trond Heier, Linpro CEO"><img src="http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2001/2400441789_d8a676c8d4_m.jpg" align="left" hspace=7 vspace=5 border=1 width="200" alt="Trond Heier, Linpro CEO" /></a> I also had the chance to interview the CEO of Linpro AS, a respected Norwegian open source service provider, about his reasons for taking part in the protest. You can listen to the podcast in either <a href="http://mediacast.sun.com/users/sunmink/media/Trond_Heier.mp3" title="Interview with Trond Heier">MP3</a> or <a href="http://mediacast.sun.com/users/sunmink/media/Trond_Heier.ogg">Ogg</a> format. Trond explains that the message Steve Pepper delivered was in English so that the Norwegian group could encourage other, similarly unhappy groups in other countries to speak out as well. The protest was held outside the building where JTC1 SC34 was holding a meeting. <p><small>More pictures:</small> <p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/webmink/2401275078/" title="Organised by the SC34 mirror committee - speaker is Steve Pepper"><img src="http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2139/2401275078_635a1753f6_t.jpg" width="100" height="75" alt="Organised by the SC34 mirror committee" /></a> <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/webmink/2400443219/" title="The protest was held outside the ISO meeting"><img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3055/2400443219_18098f9464_t.jpg" width="100" height="75" alt="Outside the ISO meeting" /></a> <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/webmink/2401273774/" title="Message to Microsoft"><img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3070/2401273774_26e4f7de94_t.jpg" width="100" height="75" alt="Message to Microsoft" /></a> <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/webmink/2401273308/" title="Message to Brussels"><img src="http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2173/2401273308_fee8eb8be9_t.jpg" width="100" height="75" alt="Message to Brussels" /></a> <object type="application/x-shockwave-flash" width="400" height="300" data="http://www.flickr.com/apps/video/stewart.swf?v=1.169" classid="clsid:D27CDB6E-AE6D-11cf-96B8-444553540000"> <param name="flashvars" value="intl_lang=en-us&amp;photo_secret=b3d2c5b9df&amp;photo_id=2403119638"></param> <param name="movie" value="http://www.flickr.com/apps/video/stewart.swf?v=1.169"></param> <param name="bgcolor" value="#000000"></param> <param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><embed type="application/x-shockwave-flash" src="http://www.flickr.com/apps/video/stewart.swf?v=1.169" bgcolor="#000000" allowfullscreen="true" flashvars="intl_lang=en-us&amp;photo_secret=b3d2c5b9df&amp;photo_id=2403119638" height="300" width="400" border=1></embed></object> <p><small>If you are a writer looking for photos or clips for your article or blog, you are free to use any of these as long as you attribute them to me. I'd also prefer you to link to this blog posting too.</small></p> /LiveMink news norway ooxml oslo protest standards http://blogs.sun.com/webmink/entry/driven_to_extremes Wed, 9 Apr 2008 06:11:49 BST webmink Organised by the SC34 mirror committee <p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/people/webmink/">webmink</a> posted a photo:</p> <p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/webmink/2401275078/" title="Organised by the SC34 mirror committee"><img src="http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2139/2401275078_635a1753f6_m.jpg" width="240" height="180" alt="Organised by the SC34 mirror committee" /></a></p> <p>For more details read <a href="http://blogs.sun.com/webmink/entry/driven_to_extremes">my blog</a>.</p> oslo norway protest ooxml http://www.flickr.com/photos/webmink/2401275078/ Wed, 9 Apr 2008 04:25:22 BST webmink Well-attended protest <p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/people/webmink/">webmink</a> posted a photo:</p> <p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/webmink/2400443777/" title="Well-attended protest"><img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3191/2400443777_8ab5aa87dc_m.jpg" width="240" height="180" alt="Well-attended protest" /></a></p> <p>For more details read <a href="http://blogs.sun.com/webmink/entry/driven_to_extremes">my blog</a>.</p> oslo norway protest ooxml http://www.flickr.com/photos/webmink/2400443777/ Wed, 9 Apr 2008 04:25:09 BST webmink Outside the ISO meeting <p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/people/webmink/">webmink</a> posted a photo:</p> <p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/webmink/2400443219/" title="Outside the ISO meeting"><img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3055/2400443219_18098f9464_m.jpg" width="240" height="180" alt="Outside the ISO meeting" /></a></p> <p>For more details read <a href="http://blogs.sun.com/webmink/entry/driven_to_extremes">my blog</a>.</p> oslo norway protest ooxml http://www.flickr.com/photos/webmink/2400443219/ Wed, 9 Apr 2008 04:24:53 BST webmink Message to Microsoft <p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/people/webmink/">webmink</a> posted a photo:</p> <p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/webmink/2401273774/" title="Message to Microsoft"><img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3070/2401273774_26e4f7de94_m.jpg" width="240" height="180" alt="Message to Microsoft" /></a></p> <p>For more details read <a href="http://blogs.sun.com/webmink/entry/driven_to_extremes">my blog</a>.</p> oslo norway protest ooxml http://www.flickr.com/photos/webmink/2401273774/ Wed, 9 Apr 2008 04:24:38 BST webmink Message to Brussels <p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/people/webmink/">webmink</a> posted a photo:</p> <p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/webmink/2401273308/" title="Message to Brussels"><img src="http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2173/2401273308_fee8eb8be9_m.jpg" width="240" height="180" alt="Message to Brussels" /></a></p> <p>For more details read <a href="http://blogs.sun.com/webmink/entry/driven_to_extremes">my blog</a>.</p> oslo norway protest ooxml http://www.flickr.com/photos/webmink/2401273308/ Wed, 9 Apr 2008 04:24:23 BST webmink Trond Heier, Linpro CEO <p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/people/webmink/">webmink</a> posted a photo:</p> <p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/webmink/2400441789/" title="Trond Heier, Linpro CEO"><img src="http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2001/2400441789_d8a676c8d4_m.jpg" width="240" height="180" alt="Trond Heier, Linpro CEO" /></a></p> <p>For more details read <a href="http://blogs.sun.com/webmink/entry/driven_to_extremes">my blog</a>.</p> oslo norway protest linpro ooxml trondheler http://www.flickr.com/photos/webmink/2400441789/ Wed, 9 Apr 2008 04:24:07 BST webmink